The uncomfortable thought that beyond DS9, all Section 31 material is just Fash Trek.

@dolari @socketwench Wasn't that the point? Them being unlikeable, but shown as a somewhat annoying necessity awfully prone to corruption?

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@Natanox @socketwench - I really subscribed to the whole "The Federation is very utopian and solves their issues peacefully when possible. War could end up being a necessity, but I didn't like that either. Section 31 fit with the darker DS9 mindset, but for me was a betrayal of the Federation ideals. Just don't like the concept.

It only got worse in Discovery where this super secret division of the Federation is as private as The Kardashian family.

@dolari @socketwench Discovery indeed is a dumpster fire in so many ways… I heavily dislike the series.

I get the point with being Utopian etc., although it's hard to see how it could flourish without silent defenders given the amount of outspoken enemies in the Trek universe who'd undermine this Utopia wherever they could. Although I guess they could've gone the route of a radically open Intelligence Unit ("Investigative Journalism with extra permissions"), an approach hardly seen anywhere.

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